Monday 20 April 2015

PhD in clinical neurosciences at NIMHANS

This post specifically deals with an ICMR funded PhD program in clinical neurosciences for medical graduates at NIMHANS. It includes the course profile, active areas of research at NIMHANS, skills you can acquire and the career prospects. It should not only help you in making a right research choice but help the science to have the right and passionate researchers.

This currently not so popular course was initially popularized as an MD-PhD that should be in par with western MD PhD which actually did not fit into the system and is been converted to plain PhD. As it was a popular notion that doctors are not engaged in medical research in Indian unlike western world, this course has been initiated by the ICMR (Indian council of medical research). Naturally the charisma is lost because it is neither in par with western MD-PhD nor with a clinical masters degree, yet I personally feel this is a wonderful route to embark upon a rewarding medical(neuro) research career by taking the road not taken.

So here comes the typical Indian dilemma of joining the course with unknown prospects and relatively very new in the market. Every other person asks me " Can we practice in clinics or will I get a research job in any organization". I would quote the lines of Professor Sponder which our ace scientist of the generation quoted in his book "Wings of fire".

"One should never worry about one's future prospects  instead it is more important to lay sound foundations, to have sufficient enthusiasm and an accompanying passion for one's chosen field of study"

Yes, I may not sound practical, but it is a fact that relying on certificates and credentials is the resultant of insecurity that we have nurtured in us because of strength less skills and concepts we have. If you believe in the above quoted lines, then things should fall in place when you do what you love for the sake of your passion and compassion of saving humanity with whatever you can contribute. As an example it worked for APJ Abdul Kalam!

Having said all these, I can say it was a very tough journey for the first few batches after its inception in 2007. The course did not have proper structure and established areas to start working up on. The faculty were new to this as well. I think this is what any field or any course should face in the beginning. The intake was 1 in 2007, 3 in 2008, and 5 from 2009. 

Active areas of research By this I mean , I primarily mean the areas that current PhD clinical neurosciences are involved (did not consider all the basic science/non medic people involved in the translational research).
1. The epilepsy group
2. The movement disorder group
3. Neuromuscular disorder group (DMD, ALS)
4. Degenerative disorders which includes peripheral, central, age related, infective etc... e.g. M.S, A.D, mitochondrial disorders (can also be considered developmental disorder),
Among the degeneration , Dementia is taken up as a special area with special dementia clinic on Saturday. Apart from AD, FTD and CBGD are also gaining importance.
5.Tumors like glioblastoma
6. TBI traumatic brain injury
7. Addiction medicine (epigenetic basis of alcohol addiction)
8. Developmental disorders (Autism ).  Hopefully this will grow in the coming days. Genetic diseases with complex phenotypes like Autism+refractory epilepsy+mental retardation should be taken up in future for active research.

Techniques actively taken up are imaging (fMRI, PET, MEG, DTI, SPECT etc), molecular genetics (polymporphisms, linkage studies etc),  electrophysiology (EEG, ENMG), histopathology like muscle/nerve biopsies, immunological (flowcytometry), retinal scans (eye as a window to neurological illnesses), autonomic function tests.

Course Profile : For the first one year, as a PhD CNS student you are expected to work in clinics and wards to get sensitized about the diseases. By the end of one year you have to chose a guide and a topic and draft a protocol within 6 months after that. So the thesis actually begins after one year of rotations in various neuropsychiatirc departments.

Rotation details:
1. 3 months of neurology
2. 3 months of neurosurgery
3. 3 months of psychiatry
4. 1 month of child psychiatry
5. 1 month of neuroradiology
6. 1 month of neuroanesthesia


Critical things :  According to ICMR guidelines your primary guide should be a clinician. So to get a guide and matching it with your basic interests is the real hurdle before you start thesis. Protocol acceptance is the next hurdle. ethical clearance etc should also be well taken care of.


Dual PhD!! Currently (as of today) NIMHANS holds collaboration for dual PhDs for clinical neurosciences fellows with 2 universities. One is the university of Liverpool and the Maastricht university. If you meet the criteria then you would be ending up with a dual PhD!
Currently one student is already in Liverpool and few are heading towards Maastricht.

Prospects : It really depends on what kind of work you do in these 5 years and what skills you acquire. With the usual habit of measuring the prospects with alumni placements does not hold good in our context as this is a budding course. Only 2 batches (3 students finished till now) and 3 more on the way to their defense. Measuring with the credential of publications may not be also accurate at this juvenile stage of the course. Many of the current students are hopeful about a post doctoral fellowship in Europe and USA in their respective fields. Again the decision of switching to lab sciences or practicing or balancing the both is your choice.

Can we practice? depends on your skills as mentioned above. I do not think anyone have to worry about legitimacy as you know the kind of practice happens in India. 50% of Indian practitioners are totally unqualified (because they are the only one who has access to rural India). There are many grand old MBBS graduates who actually got specialized with their experience and practicing successfully. There is no law as far as I know that can prevent a MBBS grad with a 5 year old experience in clinical neurosciences (work involving patient care) from practicing primary neurology atleast. Ideal kind of practice is in academic or university settings, simultaneously contributing to the research, generating hypothesis and solving problems.

Many people plan a neuro residency abroad too by clearing USMLE, PLAB or MRCP which is worthwhile if you are more into clinical practice.

17 comments:

  1. Hi.. thank you for the inspiring post on clinical neurosciences at nimhans.
    - I think people into research will have a good time upto certain age say 40, and once new thoughts and ideas dry up in us , don't u think we ll have a hard time in competing with the younger generation which might not be the case in clinical set up. Your thoughts on that
    - Will we get to do thesis in field of our interest or it depends on availability and other factors
    - you said its difficult to get a guide, is it really a that big concern
    - stipend and accommodation at Nimhans
    - how busy we will be
    - how much we will be in clinicals after choosing a thesis guide and topic.

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  2. Hi Kiran,

    - "I think people into research will have a good time upto certain age say 40, and once new thoughts and ideas dry up in us , don't u think we ll have a hard time in competing with the younger generation which might not be the case in clinical set up. Your thoughts on that"
    Answ: I do not think so, each researcher's curve is different depending on where he starts and in which area and the energy he keeps all along. In this context , till 40 years you will have to learn, explore, and strengthen experiment/observation study designs and problem generations, by that age you will be mostly sticking to some topic and doing some advanced research. Experience counts in research too.. later half of the career you will be a leader and a guide for the next generation and of course you will be financially stabilized.

    2)- Will we get to do thesis in field of our interest or it depends on availability and other factors.
    A tough question to answer. I do not say you will get what you want easily because other factors do play a role, but I think if you push it hard with scientific+social skills, you will get it the way you want..

    3) you said its difficult to get a guide, is it really a that big concern
    - Getting a guide is not difficult but getting a guide in the same area and of same interest might be difficult. Because the primary guides are primarily clinicians and they might be clinically biased. As the course evolves, real faculty come in , this problem will resolved.

    4)-- stipend and accommodation at Nimhans:
    Will be same as other residents, first 3 years, JR and then SR. accommodation will be provided. Current JR pay is grossly 58k.

    5)- how busy we will be: Again it depends on your guide and the area and the work flow. First year it will be little disorganized, and you have to run between the campuses (research and the hospital), then onwards only for the purpose of reaching your own sample patients. First year is more or less busy.. except for 2 months in the last (neuro radio and neuro anesthesia)

    6)- how much we will be in clinicals after choosing a thesis guide and topic.
    - Less than the residents because you will focus on patients in the context of your area where as they are posted across the department. No casualty duties and no ICU duties etc. but you will be busy with thesis work, writing papers, software skills, statistics, presentations in our mother department etc.

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  3. hello, thank you so much for this article.I have wanting to pursue a research career after MBBS in neurosciences.I wanted to know if you have any idea regarding PHD programmes offered by IISC and what are future prospects of the same as compared to the one in Nimhans

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    1. Hi, IISC has a core neuro group, CNS (center for neuroscience) Check out this. http://www.cns.iisc.ac.in/home/academics/phd-program/

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  4. Thank you, for such a helpful article. I sincerely regret not applying this year for the phd program. I have applied and am studying for the upcoming NIMHANS entrance for all clinical courses being offered at post mbbs level. But I seriously regret not ticking phd clinical neuroscience. There's a dearth of information with respect to clinical phd in all walks of life at medical school in india.

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    1. I totally agree with the dearth of information. You may well be surprised if I say, people at NIMHANS are also not really aware of it properly. Neither the ICMR knows!!

      Do not regret about it at all. If your heart beats for research definitely you have better places in India. though not with such a good stipend. But money is not everything right?

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  5. Hello, Thanks for nice endeavor. Is it having any age limit for this programme ? How competitive is it right now , any idea ?

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    1. I am not sure of the age limit. But sir, if you are already a masters in medicine, practising or teaching, it will be very demeaning to do this course.

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  6. Hello sir..thanks for clearing the doubts..I am post mbbs sudden..I have a very much interest in exploring our nervous system...learn more about it,explore,how,why it works like that and all...still more questions...I want to learn more about our brain and I want to contribute to this world,by the way it happens...and to find out more about this fascinating and mysterious 1.4kg organ...and also need to pursuit it as my career too...after finishing,in which path should I choice to follow my dreams..?? Pls give your valuable advice sir...ty

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  7. Hello sir..thanks for clearing the doubts..I am post mbbs sudden..I have a very much interest in exploring our nervous system...learn more about it,explore,how,why it works like that and all...still more questions...I want to learn more about our brain and I want to contribute to this world,by the way it happens...and to find out more about this fascinating and mysterious 1.4kg organ...and also need to pursuit it as my career too...after finishing,in which path should I choice to follow my dreams..?? Pls give your valuable advice sir...ty

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    1. Hi Krishna, Having interest is good but having passion is great. Making right choices is the greatest. you are some where between interest and passion. Let it grow, until then keep reading and thinking.

      Reading recommendation : Neurosciences "Exploring the brain" by Mark F Bear

      after that "Principles of neuroscience".

      I wish you good luck!

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    2. Thank you very much sir...I need your valuable advice regarding which pg course should I chose to persue my career towards my dreams..

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    3. Thank you very much sir...I need your valuable advice regarding which pg course should I chose to persue my career towards my dreams..

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  8. Hi. Thank you for this post, as it gives us a lot of information that is not readily available. I have completed my Internal Medicine post-graduation, but I feel clinical medicine isn't for me, which is a feeling I've harboured for a long time but have felt powerless to act upon as one thing led to another after MBBS and I did not really have a clear idea of alternative careers. I am certain that clinical medicine is not for me and I regret not having taken up my dream, that is the study of the brain. Now, my question is: Having slid so far down the rabbit hole, what is my way out? Is it alright to apply for PhD Clinical Neuroscience in NIMHANS, or go the safe route and opt for Neurology and then aim to do research? Any inputs on this are highly appreciated!

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  9. Sir, I am a house surgeon now and would very much like to study neuroscience. Kindly advise me on how to prepare for the entrance to NIMHANS Phd program.Also, I would like to know further options available. ☺

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  10. Sir, I am a house surgeon now and would very much like to study neuroscience. Kindly advise me on how to prepare for the entrance to NIMHANS Phd program.Also, I would like to know further options available. ☺

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  11. Sir, I am a house surgeon now and would very much like to study neuroscience. Kindly advise me on how to prepare for the entrance to NIMHANS Phd program.Also, I would like to know further options available. ☺

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